But it was very devastating experience getting physical, it really failed the first time and we didn’t try it again. Most of it is illusions I know.. (Not at all helped by the fact that his Venus is square to my Sun at exact degrees.) This is okay, as long as we learn from those mistakes and adjust our steps. Free Online Astrology, Natal Birth Chart Meanings and Interpretations. Concentrate on intimacy and you should be all right. taurus venus-mars conjunction in Your opinion? Sometimes the ego gets in the way of our path, whether through fear, resistance to growth, resistance to break old habits and personal tendencies, or through a lack of interest in what is wanted of us. So does Saturn. Trust me when I say that I will happily take a man i am less “connected” to, to allow myself the support I need to thrive in this life. And you may then limit yourself for years, into oblivion. The attraction was instant. Maybe someone else on the page will have an answer for you. My english is not very good. We have a composite Pisces Ascendant (3°) with a Pisces Saturn in 12 conjunct Ascendant. In Our composite chart Sun, Mercury, Venus, Jupiter and Chiron in the 12 house. Jupiter Rx in the 7th in Leo. I feel sad about that. It was helpful all of your comments about the rest of composite houses and I say “Thank you” again for this… Your article is amazing! The Autumn Schedule is Here! The 12th house really gives you an opportunity to see behind the veil in such a powerful and beautiful way, to understand not only our existence in this lifetime, but our collective reason and the inner workings of the universe itself and the karmic bonds that we have formed with soul family that have traveled this journey with us for many many lifetimes. mercury and mercury conj. Together, you enjoy shopping and generally acquiring possessions. So sad! The word deception implies that it is intentional and meant to do harm, but in the twelfth house, it is completely unintentional and used as a defense rather than an offense. Besides, his vertex conjunct with my sun and oppose w/ my moon. It is SO powerful! A share a composite chart with a stellium of planets (Sun, Mercury, Uranus, and Neptune) in the 12th house with cusp on Scorpio. Whatever I told you would not have a context. Sun/Uranus conjunct in the 1st. Aren’t these positive aspects good enough to sustain a relationship down-to-earth, telling me to forgive and try again or just simply blowing the matter worse and prolonging it?. More appreciative of that special melding? P.S. And here in the house of fun we have dreadful Saturn. Moon in Aries/7th, Saturn in the 5th/Aquarius. The home and family life that you establish together is where you go for comfort and peace, making your home and family monumentally important to you. He literally proposed to me the night we met. Struggling against our own unconscious is not an easy thing These are activities centered around expressing yourself, and with the composite moon, it means you feel comfortable letting loose, being yourself, and seeking fun. Is Your experience the same? Our composite mars is in cancer in the 12 house. Love for love’s sake won’t fly with the 12th house. scares me a bit. Sun and Neptune both trine Lilith, who is in Pisces AND in house 12. However, with so much 12th house a individuals, and then as a couple, can there be something more than “We are fated, but we are meant to part. Like individuals with 12th house planets, couples with a lot of twelfth house may feel that there is something fated about their lives together. Now I just have to sit and wait around where it is got to leave us! Saturn and Uranus both have a lot to say about Aquarius. The 12th house is the house of the hidden, and hides the energy of whatever is in it. However, if the value of the relationship begins to fade or become tainted, each person feels the emotional discomfort and pain deeply. hi dawn:) With a Sun in 12th House placement, this is considered one of the most difficult placements for a composite chart. When Pluto is conjunct the North Node, our mistakes can be more dramatic and our adjustments have to be greater. The twelfth house is about vocation, our divine calling, and is a very different energy from the status-oriented tenth. Please can someone find me some positive end result here because I have not too much hope after reading that article aboyt the 12 house and I am going insane because I can not really tell anyone what is going on in my life> (husband, kids or even him)I do not want to hurt anybody’s life but that means I have to give up my love which is just to hurtful to do! Neptune is also in the 12th, but hanging back a bit and squaring Neptune- yikes. I have a heavily involved 12th house with someone, in synastry, sun and sun/moon in each other natal and composite.shows Sun/Mar/Saturn. I put mars (Cancer) in his 12th. It’s hard for me to stop dreaming about this person. My husband and I, have composite Saturn 27 Pluto 28 Libra in 12th, forming a T square to our Sun 26 Cancer and Venus 19/Mercury 23 Capricorn. It has left a hole in my heart, (composite chiron conjunct asc) and I suffered from insomnia regretting I should or shouldn’t have done. I’m always attracted to those types of “relationships” Happy holidays and thank you for this article. Well, it got such a bad rap, that house, but I was surprised to find it quite often,s o I thought I`d look at more couples with 12th house composite placements. The Moon squares Mercury and Venus in the 9th, Pluto and Saturn in the 3rd, and squares the MC. This is brilliant and compassionate. My takeaway is that the two people involved would think the relationship was hidden (and something for just them) but it’s not really because of the nature of the Asc Conjunctions. Thoughts on this combo would be greatly appreciated by me. His early 12th house sacrifice was the initiation leading to his later success. My husband and I have composite sun conjunct Saturn in the 12th, composite moon conjunct Venus in the 1st. i have it conjunct in our davison3rd house- and opposite in4th-10th in composite. In contrast, couples who come together to create something for the collective often have the appropriate planets in the composite 12th, there for all to see. (You can have this without the 12th of course, but the 12th is inclined to it.) That I could be around someone and not feel uncomfortable. It feels that we are very free together than alone. What is the best approach? I fell onto another man after that whom I had a very deep dark sexual connection to and whom I shared a heavy 8th composite chart with. But I do have one question? Will we stay together after we have learned our lesson together? I am not certain this person is a fit but yet there are alot of coincidences between us that keeps me boggled on the larger picture. I would need a full synastry to really answer your question. I know he is devoted to his son more maybe than to his wife but he cares about him as well because he is a very nice man. Its importance is held very high and both parties are very sensitive to its dynamic. I still feel a strong connection to him, but in a way, I guess I have come to reasonable terms with not being with him. Even the sexual draw of 8th house connections can be replaced by more of them down the road, or by the excitement of the 5th. Knowing him has felt like a blessing and a curse, and yet, to this day, I do not regret falling in love with him that night 10 years ago. I am 38 years old and have a Scorpio 12th house stellium (Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury, and Neptune) so I am painfully, and blissfully, intimately aware of this energy. I didn’t see him for a year after we split up and then ran into him last year out of nowhere. thanks you very much Dawn to shed some lights on this! We have our composite sun in 12th house, along with saturn. It's easy because you are secure when you achieve together and you actually find it comforting. We all have things we come in to this life to accomplish, achieve, or learn. ….why is neptune conjunct sun so bad in composite? We still keep in touch as “just friends” occasionally, and sometimes I feel like I am having conversations with him in my head. Beginning to look at our Composite Chart and come to find a Moon and Mars Conjunction in Leo 12th House. I am a Sag with moon (12th house) and rising both in scorpio. Hi Daw And I read from Stephen Arroyo that it is so important to see the traditional rulers of the signs , for example in Aquarius is more important to see Saturn than Uranus. Is Your experience the same? Everyword’s pounding in me. The empty space you decribe has me under pressure most days. Because that’s what it feels like! He knows me better than I know myself at times. The eighth house is about value, power, and control in relationships. The house location of the composite moon shows what things you do as a couple to sooth yourselves and bring each other emotional support. Another concern is his Saturn and North node in my MC/IC and my Mercury/Mar (ruler of my 7th) in his Asc. Definitely karmic and unbreakable. Lovely article. We met 3 months ago, and live 300 miles apart. Aquarius rising at 29 degrees. I’m kinda tired of dancing with men who enjoy attempting control and am tired of the endlessly unavailable creatures that keep crossing my path in life. Then you naturally support each other's values and find peace in knowing that you both share the same values. It’s bad enough that we have difficulties with the 12th house when it involves the natal chart, but it often is downright cruel when we’re trying to negotiate it’s slippery slopes in a composite. I’m trying to determine the karmic lessons we need to learn from this. She has great remorse about it and is seeking help to try and put an end to it. Ordinarily I would run like hell from a 5th house Saturn, I’m loud and openly expressive and the normal obvious assumption would be this relationship would stifle me. Felt and feels karmic, but alas, it was definitely not meant to be….for now. Composite Moon in the 12th House With the Composite Moon in the 12th house, you can have a hard time expressing your emotions with one another. I am a strong 12th houser myself and it meant so much to me that we could live together and I never felt my precious solitude was infringed upon. Thank you for your reply Dawn . We have experienced together so much and it helps my mental developement so much and also your idea about ‘loving and letting go’ interests me a lot. Watch out! I know this man will be in my life as long as I can imagine. Transit Sun in the 12th House Meaning, Transit Birth Chart, Sun Astrology Free Interpretations. And now we come to the house that causes more furrowed brows than any other. My natal chart ruler is the Moon and his natal chart ruler is Mars. In my opinion the midpoint composite is not really true, because our midpoint chart doesn’t show the very intense physical love what we live together. The point is not that the telepathy is an illusion, the point is that it’s real, but it doesn’t matter. Hi Dawn, are you able to give me anymore insight or know where I might find more information about 12th house stellium in cancer planets are sun,moon,Mercury and Venus in my husband and my composite chart. *Composite Chiron conjunct Moon in Taurus in 12th house. I use both in my practice. Dear Dawn, I just see now, that accidentally I typed wrong Your name! You prefer to go into any group setting, whether it's a large social gathering, an institution like a school, or a government organization, together rather than individually. Thank you in advance. Mars & NNode in Cancer/10th. i am deeply hurt but I am not angry with him. Hi Whitelotus–I use both the Midpoint and the Davison charts in synastry. We both have natal moon in house 12. I apologize for the mistakes, I’m French and sometimes it is difficult to express in English . Am I right in deducing that this relationship is more of an initiation? He is my best friend but marriage to him has been so disappointing because there’s not much difference between now and when I was single. I still remember very clearly how I felt 10 years ago when I first met my former boyfriend. It often indicates couples who seem to have a lot of shared experience and shared history–even if they are new to one another, it feels ‘old.’   They recognize one another when they meet. However, in the Composite relationship chart, the Libra cusp functions through its focus on justice, often expressed as a desire for ‘equality,’ which usually means each person has to be treated the same. Couples with a heavy 12th house/ 6th house polarity have to find a way to put their wisdom to some practical use. i don’t know, looking at this chart, it has completely different emphasis, from my regular composite. It was emotional and intense, also warm and familiar at the same time. Comfy date, lots of laughter, he contacted me for a second date. The synastry can show the true about our relationship, and the Davison also but less than synastry, but the Composite chart can show almost nothing. !….the telepathy is overwhelming me. (anyone who has ever fallen in love and had planets with that person in 12th composite will know..). And would that mean -let’s say- if this person’s partner’s personal planets conjuncts to his north node would he lose the partner or would he lose “god” because he put that person (her planets) between himself and “god”! So much more needs to be considered. This person and I believe we’re soulmates, and I would go further to say we’re twin flames as we share some many parallels in our lives, similarities, and all the other strange features of a twin flame relationship as describe by many. You have a strong synastry and a strong 1st house in the composite, and of course that makes a difference. And yes, with Uranus squaring, the tendency would be to want to break away rather than face what is wrong. I have gone through a long, long cycle of heartaches and have been able to slowly, heart-wrenchingly get over each and every one, except this guy. The eleventh house focuses specifically on the other people out there and the interaction between you and those people, as a group. The midpoint chart reveals the relationship on another level entirely. Was our purpose to heal each other? It’s a huge task, but often one the 12th house couple is uniquely suited for.]. *Also in synastry- my 12th house Juno in Taurus also sits in his 12th house) If you don’t like how someone operates, who cares how connected you are to them? Ive recently broke up with what was felt “the love of my life” the most pure and locvng relationship ever. We need strong, healthy egos to accomplish what we’ve come to do in this life, but we need to act according to what is wanted of us, not against it. However, what happens when we join together as a couple/entity is reflected in the composite chart. But i ran of him, i really dont understand why, it makes me feel so sad. Mars in the 12th can mean unconscious eroticism, aggression, or desire. we activate each others 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 6th, 10th and 11th houses also. Wow… very insightful thank you so much, I love your writing!! Looking forward to taking more classes with you in the future. The people below are good examples of an empowered twelfth house Moon: Visionary painter and poet William Blake’s Moon was in 12th house. We have Uranus, Mercury, Neptune, Saturn, North Node, Sun in the 12th. 2nd House : Deals with the possessions and ownings of the couple, the ability to share with each other. In our synastry chart, we also have exact Chiron/Venus opposition. He told me he had butterflies I did too.his nn is conjunct my ascendant. And here is why: my sun, mercury and venus and chiron is in th e 12th natal house. Aghh! Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. I like my husband as well after 20 years of marriage but I feel like I fell in this tragic love triangle story without asking for it! I cannot be happy with him (I feel happy but it doesn’t last any longer) or without him. Now, what to think of this powerful symbolism in the composite chart? I really appreciate your take on the 12th house; it definitely resonates as true, from my experience. I’m also interested in anything about twin flame relationships. The composite charts (both Davison and midpoint) need to be progressed. I was wondering if you can tell me your thoughts on a leo rising composite with a large stellium RIGHT on the IC and 8th house moon….the stellium is partly in libra and partly in scorp even tho i know that sign doesn’t mean too much in a composite chart. Because, of Saturn and Pluto? The 12th House is a complicated one in astrology. His sun, mercury and chiron is in the 12 house in his natal chart. I have 3 planets in my natal chart in 12th house (mercury,sun,mars) and we have 2 planets,which are identical in my natal(mercury and sun), in the composite chart in 12th house with someone who i talked for 6 months but we never dated.We also have our moon in pisces in 6th house. (excuse my bad English) More generally speaking, the second house is about anything that you hold as valuable. AstroSeek, Free Horoscopes and charts 2021 Astro-Seek.com I had a relationship with someone, in our composite chart, we have a stellium in the 12th house – Sun, Juno, Venus and Uranus. I will always be exactly where I am now – loving you. We challenge each other to be the best versions of ourselves. Buying a home together and filling it with possessions gives you a strong feeling of emotional peace and comfort. If anything new would happen you would dbe the first one to know! We feel that our twelfth house planets don’t ‘work’ the way our other planets do, or the way that same planet seems to behave in other people’s charts. As Jeff Buckley puts it, he’s “a tear that hangs inside my soul forever”. The 12th house is the house of the hidden, and hides the energy of whatever is in it. What of mother-daughter pairs? It is traditionally called the House of Self-Undoing. It shows a challenging interaction between 12th-5th. mars is trine composite sun, pluto, uranus jupiter and neptune- but square moon saturn…. I feel ok about it but don’t want to attach to it. The Inner Wheel Recommended Astrology Reading Lists, Crucible and the Wheel: The Transiting Nodes Series. However, Eros in the 12th may mean a less conscious eroticism drives the relationship–we think we know what we’re doing but we may not, and may be subject to desires of all kinds. Women may stay because they think, how the heck am i going to find a man I’m this connected to? But, separate he has a Saturn Gemini 12th and I have a Mercury Scorpio 12th. We could look at each other and read one another’s minds, but not in a way where you hear words or anything. The moon is the essence of emotion, so even though the relationship always maintains a tone of detachment and a universal perspective, the moon can't help but feel. In order to respect this aspect, we need to have reverence for all the cycles of life, not just the upswing. When the progressed Moon entered Eric’s 12th house, his publishing company started to fail. There are lots of couples with heavy 12th house influence who are out in the open. I’m blessed to remember some past lives we’ve had and we have definitely come together to mend some old wounds and learn to forgive and love one another. thanks!! The feelings I have are much deeper than lust and infatuation. In other words, when they simply trust in each other and in a larger reason for their union that goes beyond anything that can be understood with anything other than faith. I turned to astrology and within months I learnt a lot of things about this topic. Our date was perfect but too creepy cause he told his very deep secrets and early regrets to me. Our synastry with my beloved couple is very strong with good connections between both 1th and 7th house rulers and many positive aspects like double whammy saturn-moon, and positive ascendant-moon, ascendant-venus, venus-moon, and so warm and intense pluto conj. Is it possible that 2 people with so much 12th/water house activity; both within synastry and composite, there is any hope for them to just be normal and happy together without karma or something else getting in the way?
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